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« on: November 14, 2009, 10:56:38 AM »

Would it be politically incorrect or treading on anyone else's toes to have a new category on this site for the discussion of all things INCA? I phrase it as a question because I can't help thinking that a forum should be incorporated into the INCA site.

Does anyone else have a view?
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« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2009, 07:58:16 PM »

Until there is an INCA organisation in place, with a website, forum, events etc, I don't think it is treading on anyone's toes to ensure that there is ongoing discussion for all stakeholders to share thoughts, links, needs etc.

The key benefits of INCA have yet to be thrashed out for those at the community coalface and I'm sure any input about what the core constituency/future members are looking for will be valuable to those having to make the decisions about what INCA will be offering.

So, let's begin....
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« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2009, 08:15:27 PM »

There's a meeting with half a dozen INCAs happening on Monday 16th November in which a couple of us are participating.

Will report back latest developments.
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« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2009, 01:23:12 AM »

There's a meeting with half a dozen INCAs happening on Monday 16th November in which a couple of us are participating.

Will report back latest developments.

The INCA meeting turned out to be a little more popular than billed with 15 participants!

The gathering happened in Leeds prior to the NextGen09 Conference at The Armouries with Shaun Fensom as the de-facto chair.

There was a useful round of introductions from both the existing group of Public Sector and Regional Development Agency folks and fresh faces from the Third Sector and future Independent Network Champions.

Presentations were made by CBN directors about the JON and LDS proposals neither of which are being funded by BIS as part of INCA

The action points proposed and agreed by consensus at the meeting were that two key steps towards the creation of INCA need to happen next, namely:

1 - Definition of membership, affiliate and non-membership criteria who can be in and who can't
2 - Definition of membership fees, again dependent on nature of membership

In order to deliver the above, an Interim Board is required to be created asap with a clear and defined lifespan - sufficient time to develop proposals to the wider INCA Forum and BIS for funding INCA deliverables - again yet to be defined in detail  and it is hoped that the Forum will meet before the New Year to address the establishment of INCA on a sound footing.

The Interim Board will self-select from the wider Forum, similar to how BSG COTS has developed, with 6-7 members suggested although based on the wider constituency, having alternates for key interest groups then 10 members makes sense, as a balance between representation and effectiveness.

It is clear that, to learn from the success of the BSG COTS kick-off process, there needs to be wider awareness of INCA and a broader membership of the Forum, in the interests of transparency and genuine inclusion.
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« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2009, 04:14:43 PM »

First off, I've changed my handle in the forum (from octoberon) to match what I've registered on Twitter and will use on the Dunford Nextgen blog (http://dunfordnextgen.blogspot.com - got to get rid of those spots!)

Anyway, as the other person cordially invited to the INCA moot I should put my view out as well.

This was the first time I'd met some of the people around the table in person (most were completely unknown) and some of the organisations and bodies represented were more familiar to me than othes. The interplay between these people and what they represent was a bit harder to keep up with occasionally as I haven't been in this game that long.. My strategy was to stick to my area of interest, which means I was mainly trying to pick up on what INCA was going to mean to community NGA projects and how they viewed our participatin in return.

I'll start with the phrase that made me most concerned about the role communities will play in INCA. That phrase being, 'trade association' as a description of the cooperative. Now I know they're not setting up a charity here but I did start to wonder where the communities would engage with INCA when they're not themselves 'trade', more like 'customers'.

Still, this meeting wasn't the right place to start pushing for decisions on how INCA's going to be run. That's the job of the interim and subsequently elected board. This was an update, not a steering committee meeting. I'm now watching, with keen interest, what the objectives of INCA will be and how the membership will be structured. I expect to find my answers in there. If I have the opportunity to be involved in those sorts of meetings then I'll have a lot more to say next time.

From my hastily scribbled notes, they said INCA is being pitched to promote the next generation of broadband, support innovation, and promote policy so members can benefit from each other.

The previous posting has mentioned a couple of next steps. I noted them saying they need to:

Set up a founding board
Recruit members
Set up working groups
Work towards the Local Development Service
Work towards JON

All this is quite woolly and needs much more clarification, obviously. I'd like to know if the LDS is actually being seen as a paid-for consultancy service.

What else...oh yes. They saw people like Openreach as being barred from membership and were hesitant when the issue of lobbying was mentioned.

I also have an interesting bit in my notes which says that the founders of INCA are expecting the interim board to present their proposal for INCAs rules to them. A cynical person might say that sounds like they may be expecting the power of veto before handing over the reigns. Fortunately I'm not a cynical person.

In conclusion then, I think the effectiveness and usefulness of INCA from a community perspective all very much depends on what happens next with the interim and elected boards. Representation is unikely to be wholely commercial even when the elected board arrives but I maintain that a presence from the community projects themselves is essential there's to be a fully balanced viewpoint.




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« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2009, 05:08:35 PM »

INCA Next Steps

There follows an open letter to one of the original project promoters regarding how best to ensure that INCA delivers Digital Britain.

Shaun,

Several key points and actions came out of the INCA ad-hoc pre-board meeting in Leeds on Monday that you very kindly invited myself and Saul Marchant to attend on behalf of the wider Third Sector and Community constituencies, alongside private sector suppliers of NGA build, carriers and operational services e.g. Red-M, LN Comms, FibreStream, Beeline BB with Andy Carter and the team at BIS.

Having discussed that meeting and the teleconference at length with other stakeholders, we have summarised the situation as we understand it as follows:

See here also http://www.fibrevolution.com/index.php/topic,72.msg220.html#msg220

1 – BIS is considering funding INCA

2 – CBN has expressed its desire to separate from INCA at the earliest opportunity


For clarity, we believe that this should be extended to exclude CBN Directors from the steerage of INCA (including the Initial Board) for an appropriate period until INCA is formally and legally established. Thereafter, we would hope that the membership criteria decided upon by the Interim Board would see CBN’s re-involvement in the organisation through democratic process or simply as members. With a suitably balanced interim board there may be advantage in having a single CBN member, based on their experience in setting up INCA so far.

2a. The responsibilities of the Interim Board (which require clear and transparent definition and discussion) would also include drawing up an initial business plan to ensure sustainability for INCA beyond the seed funding from BIS. It was stated on Monday by CBN that a figure of £40,000 had been “spent” by CBN during the preliminary work to establish INCA.

It is only reasonable that CBN is given the opportunity to present to the Interim Board any receipts for costs incurred. The Interim Board, Scrutiny Panel, Formal Board and BIS should all consider whether any or all of these costs are reimbursable or could be considered speculative risk, or even a generous donation. (It should be noted that £40,000 would be greater than 25% of the initial round of funding and payment of such a sum would restrict INCA’s activities from the outset.)

Allowing CBN to submit accounts for its costs to be considered for repayment would therefore reiterate the need to separate CBN Directors from due process in the setting up of INCA. This will then permit the Interim Board and BIS to make a fair and just decision without vested interest.

3 – JON is a CBN proposal that is not funded by BIS and is separate from INCA

4 – LDS is a CBN proposal that is not funded by BIS and is separate from INCA

5 – INCA needs to direct its attention as a matter of urgency upon membership types and fees, respective criteria, exclusion policy and reasoning for such.

5a – The membership fee structure depends on defining the value proposition that INCA is to offer potential members, whilst demonstrating credible sustainability modelling. We understand this is currently missing/undeveloped from the INCA model/business plan

6. An Interim Board is to be formed as soon as possible from the wider forum of interested parties. A minimum of 6-7 persons has been envisaged.

6a. It has been recommended that the model for this is taken from BSG COTS (the Peter Shearman Plan). An Interim Board of a minimum of 10 self-elected members, across all stakeholder groups would seem admirable.

7. The Interim Board will complete all set up tasks to lay the foundations for the democratic election of the First Board and the launch of a legally established co-operative. This must include as an utmost priority the recruitment of members to the INCA co-op (or expressions of interest until the paperwork is completed) through marketing, widespread communications amongst the stakeholders, media and so on.

8. To ensure the right methods and vehicles are used, an independent scrutiny panel (not members of the Interim Board) should be established to monitor the actions of the IB on behalf of all stakeholders. The Interim Board must report in full to the Independent Scrutiny Panel all decisions proposed and/or taken.

The Independent Scrutiny Panel then continues to provide comfort and assurance to BIS that best value for Public Funding is maintained throughout its grant-enabled early life until INCA becomes fully self-sustaining from membership fees, revenue etc.

9. To date, there is open acceptance that INCA has failed in communicating clearly and comprehensively to stakeholders its purpose, agenda, structure and so on. This needs to be rectified, again using the Peter Shearman COTS model, by immediately making public the specific documents that Lindsey Annison requested from CBN prior to this week’s conference, namely:

a) List of current steering group members

b) Proposed Foundation Board members

c) List of INCA key objectives and funding milestones

d) Pre-Christmas meeting dates for steering group as the now wider INCA Forum

e) Minutes (or Powerpoints) from previous INCA steering group meetings

To this end, and acknowledging both CBN and INCA’s financial circumstances, a public area has been created at http://www.fibrevolution.com/index.php/topic,72.0.html for the upload of and access to the documents (see above section 9) required to move INCA forward.

In conclusion, the wider constituency polled feels that INCA has a useful role to play, dove-tailed into the BSG COTS process already underway, in helping to realise the BIS policy objectives of delivering upon the Digital Britain Report in the National Interest.

In order to achieve its aims, INCA needs to be established on an effective set of principles, scope and deliverables. It is hoped and intended that this can be achieved through the two safeguards of:

1. The Interim Board
2. The Independent Scrutiny Panel

Shaun, perhaps you would be so good as to circulate this message to the other participants from the Monday meeting in Leeds or alternatively provide their email addresses.

Kind Regards and Approved by:

G Jarvis

W Garrett

S Davison

S Marchant

M Purdom

L Annison

N Hall

A Waters

G Rewston

G Garrett

C Knowles

M Boswell
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« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2009, 02:20:08 AM »

For all those who could not attend Nextgen 09, either in person or remotely, the following two links will give you the audio from two sessions about INCA.

http://www.4shared.com/file/154455886/3437ddf5/Malcom_Corbett_explains_INCA_at_Next_Gen_09.html

http://www.4shared.com/file/154453950/4c533366/INCA_Workshop_at_Next_Gen_09.html

These are also under discussion on at least two Google Waves: Grassroots Digital Britain and INCA, both public.
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